Episode Transcript

Like Versus As
Episode 50: April 13, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is like versus as.

Now the very attentive listeners will notice a difference between that ad and what I said last week, and that difference is the reason today's topic is like versus as. This week, I said, “I just enter two passwords, and it's as if I'm sitting at my own computer.” Last week, I said, “I just enter two passwords, and it's like I'm sitting at my own computer,” and by saying that I unwittingly stumbled into a raging grammar war.

The background is that traditionally like is a preposition and as is a conjunction. Nevertheless, people have been using like as if it were a conjunction (as I did) for at least 100 years, and grammarians have been raging against that use for just as long. In fact, the Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage states that “probably no single question of usage has created greater controversy in recent years” than the conjunctive use of like.

First of all, let’s quickly review what a preposition is, and what a conjunction is. According to the book Woe Is I, a preposition is “a word that ‘positions’ or situates words in relation to one another.”  Examples are in, around, and through. A conjunction is, simply, “a connecting word.” Common conjunctions are and, but, and or (1).

The proper way to differentiate between like and as is to use like when no verb follows (2). For example, Squiggly throws like a raccoon or It acted just like my computer. Notice that when I use like, the words that come after are generally simple. A raccoon and my computer are the objects of the preposition.

If the clause that comes next includes a verb, then you should use as. For example, Squiggly throws as if he were a raccoon or It acted just as I would expect my computer to behave. Notice that when I use as, the words that come after tend to be more complex.

You generally hear like used in everyday speech, so that helps me remember that like is the simpler word—or at least it is followed by simpler words. As sounds stuffier and is followed by a more complex clause that contains a verb.

Whether you abide by this rule or not probably depends on how much of a grammar stickler you are. It's common to hear sentences like this: It's like I'm sitting at my own computer. And as a result, many people don't know it's wrong. In one survey, 21 percent of professional writers and editors said they found such constructions acceptable in casual speech. On the other hand, only 6 percent thought the construction would be OK in formal writing (3).

I have to admit that after reading entries in three usage guides (3,4,5), I felt a bit brow beaten about the whole topic. Even as like is becoming more entrenched in everyday use, professional grammarians are absolutely resolved that this is a trend worth fighting. Many language experts seem fully prepared to rail against it with all their might, and some of the comments were quite vicious.

So my advice is don't do it—don't use like as a conjunction, especially in writing, unless you are ready for the full force of rampaging grammarians to rain down on you (which is not what I'm generally going for in the advice I give you).

Here are more examples of correct sentences to help you remember the rule:

EXAMPLE: My cousin looks like Batman.
EXAMPLE: My neighbor yelled like a maniac.

EXAMPLE: It's as if my cousin were Batman.
EXAMPLE: My neighbor yelled as though he were a maniac.


A final note is that there is no discernible difference between as if and as though. Some sources say that as if is often used for less likely scenarios—my cousin being Batman—and as though for more likely scenarios—my neighbor is a maniac—but this isn't a definitive rule.

That's all.

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References

  1. O'Connor, P. Woe Is I: The Grammarphobes Guide to Better English in Plain English. New York: Riverhead Books, 2003.
  2. Lynch, J. The Guide to Grammar and Style. andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/l.html (accessed April 9, 2007).
  3.  Morris, W. and Morris, M. Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage. Second edition. New York: Harper & Rowe, 1985, p. 52.
  4. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler's Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, p. 458.
  5. Garner, B.A. Garner's Modern American Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003, p. 496.

Comments (35) for Like Versus As |  Subscribe to Comment

Bryan Says:
10/14/2008 11:47:27 PM
I'm guessing comments on *really* old episodes aren't checked anymore, but just in case. GG, you mention that "like" is to be used when no verb follows, but what about this sentence?: "Swimming is like running, they both require use of the legs!" Should it be: "Swimming is as running..." ???
Nena Says:
10/14/2008 5:36:32 PM
Could you please do an episode on the correct use of "like these" and "like this", as in "sentences like these", "questions like this". Thanks!!!
M Says:
4/22/2008 3:29:19 AM
How do we use " been" in a sentence
Sung Says:
2/15/2008 10:00:19 AM
Collins Dictionary 7. CONJ Like is sometimes used as a conjunction in order to say that something appears to be the case when it is not. Some people consider this use to be incorrect. On the train up to Waterloo, I felt like I was going on an adventure. as if 8. CONJ Like is sometimes used as a conjunction in order to indicate that something happens or is done in the same way as something else. Some people consider this use to be incorrect. People are strolling, buying ice cream for their children, just like they do every Sunday.
Gina Says:
2/14/2008 2:49:31 PM
question: what is the correct grammar? "the conversation between... you and me? you and I? you and myself?
kd Says:
8/23/2007 2:03:37 PM
What is the proper way to sign an email or letter when you have multiple degress? Can you list only the last as in MPA or do you need to list all as in BA,MPA? Thanks, ----- --------
Kevin Says:
7/17/2007 5:39:09 PM
Thanks for clarifying John. Kevin -----
John Says:
7/17/2007 1:28:49 PM
We use "an" before a word beginning with a vowel sound. F begins with a vowel sound: ef. -----
Kevin Says:
7/16/2007 7:18:18 PM
Dear Grammar Girl, In a sentence with abbreviated letters, how is it determined whether to use "a" or "an"? For example: 1)I want to be an FBI agent. 2)I want to be a FBI agent. I personally would go with number 1. Probably because the F sounds like "ef". On the other hand, the letter F is not a vowel, and we know the rule. I don't think that I was ever taught this in class. Thanks for the help. Keep up the good work!! Kevin -----
Grammar Girl Says:
5/15/2007 4:29:57 PM
The term "hypothetical tense" doesn't seem to be used very often, but I believe it is correct. Here is an entry from a grammar book by Noah Webster: http://urltea.com/k2o -----
magnus Says:
5/15/2007 4:06:07 PM
Is Hypothetical tense the right term to use here? I'm a Norwegian student having an English-exam tomorrow so please answer quickly. Thanks! Your site has really helped me today! :D -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/30/2007 4:53:49 AM
Yes, you still use "were" (a subjunctive verb) when it follows "as if" and "as though" if the statement is wishful or contrary to fact. -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/26/2007 1:55:29 AM
I ran out of space and decided to save it for another episode. I'll combine it with "like" versus "such as" and the use of "like" as a filler. There's a lot to say about "like." It should be a fun episode! -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/26/2007 1:52:44 AM
I thought about mentioning it, but I ran out of space and decided save it for a future episode and combine it with "like" versus "such as." Y'know, like, it will be totally cool. I also found a reference that said the use of "like" as a filler doesn't originate in Southern Califoria, but the book didn't say where the use *did* originate, and I want to do more research. -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/26/2007 1:46:28 AM
Many style guides say it is OK to start a sentence with a conjunction in an informal setting. I consider the show an informal setting. Also, the transcripts are just that: transcripts of what I say in the show. They are posted to help people follow along or to quickly look up something they have forgotten. I always try to balance proper grammar with sounding natural when I speak, and I tend to start sentences with conjunctions in conversations. If I were writing a book chapter, I would probably write it much differently (and start fewer sentences with conjunctions). -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/26/2007 1:40:39 AM
Right now you are entered because anyone who posts to the blog or e-mails feedback@qdnow.com is entered. I expect to make a change soon though. In the future, people will enter the book giveaway by subscribing to the new (free) e-mail newsletter. I will announce it in the show when I make the change. Subscribe here: https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:Join/signupId:18647 -----
Chelsea Says:
4/25/2007 6:00:16 PM
Dear Grammar Girl, How could I be entered to win a copy of your audiobook? My sister and I are dying to listen to it. -----
Tad Says:
4/19/2007 6:43:04 PM
Ms. Grammar Girl: I love your audio podcast and enjoy another's attempts to assist and encourage others to improve one's own writing and speaking habits. It concerns me that you begin the advertisement for your sponsor, GoToMyPC.com, at the beginning of your podcast with a conjunction, "But first, I'm happy ..." I ask this because I was taught from the third grade that, and I'm quoting Mrs. Turner here, "conjunctions connect clauses of sentences and do not start them." Have the rules of grammar changed? Thank you for your time. I look forward to future topics of your podcast. Keep up the good work. -- Tad -----
Tad Says:
4/19/2007 6:41:43 PM
Ms. Grammar Girl: I love your audio podcast and enjoy another's attempts to assist and encourage others to improve one's own writing and speaking habits. It concerns me that you begin the advertisement for your sponsor, GoToMyPC.com, at the beginning of your podcast with a conjunction, "But first, I'm happy ..." I ask this because I was taught from the third grade that, and I'm quoting Mrs. Turner here, "conjunctions connect clauses of sentences and do not start them." Have the rules of grammar changed? Thank you for your time. I look forward to future topics of your podcast. Keep up the good work. -- Tad -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/19/2007 1:46:06 AM
I considered including, like, the use of "like" as, like, a filler and also "like" versus "such as," but the show was getting too long. It's likely I will talk about those topics in another episode soon, or I might address them in the new free newsletter. You can subscribe here:https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:Join/signupId:18647 -----
Jenn Says:
4/17/2007 4:22:40 AM
As you can probably tell, one of my major writing problems is overuse of commas. This is particularly obvious in my casual, unchecked writing (e.g. blog comments. -----
Jenn Says:
4/17/2007 4:20:11 AM
I relate to this problem as well, and always go through any reports that I write, and delete excess words. One tip is to look for 'it' and 'of' and 'by' as well as words ending in -tion. These are often (but by no means always) part of unnecessarily wordy phrases. There are more indicators as well, but those are some of the major ones -----
Dan L. Says:
4/17/2007 2:07:06 AM
I really relate. But I have learned that when it comes to improving writing, the most effective – and most painful – technique is to delete. After struggling to get your ideas down on paper, it is heartbreaking to admit that many of the words and phrases you sweated over just don’t contribute enough to be kept (which is why writers have editors, and why editors are under-appreciated). As an example of deleting, your query could be simplified to: “I am currently writing my senior thesis. To guide the reader through my carefully constructed argument, I find I tend to overload on complex sentences as a means to facilitate the transition between my individual points. Though the resulting essay is very linear, my prose is thick and verbose. Do you have any suggestions that might improve the readability of my valiant defense of the oft-overlooked 17th-century Jansenists?” Note that deleting has a downside if you need to meet a word- or page-count objective: you have to write a lot more material to start with. -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/16/2007 5:01:55 AM
Hi Joe, The book is divided into tracks. I tested it on multiple players and I can see the tracks on my iPod and using Windows Media Player, but I can't see them when I try to play the book using iTunes on my computer. I hope this helps! Mignon -----
Steve Says:
4/15/2007 10:57:24 PM
Dear Ms. Girl, Like many college students, I am currently writing a senior thesis. Though this experience has given me an excellent opportunity to study the intricacies of Jansenism (my topic), I have identified many problems with my writing style. As a result, I've come with a question: 1.) As you may have noticed, I tend to write a lot of complex sentences. Though the resolution to my problem may appear simple (just stop writing complex sentences), I've been unable to effectively write an argumentative essay without using so many of these sentences. Because a good essay guides the reader through a carefully constructed argument (and because I'm trying to write a good essay), I tend to overload on complex sentences in an attempt to facilitate the transition between my individual points. While this approach may be effective in moderation, my excessive use has become problematic. Though my essays are very linear as a result, my prose tends to be thick and verbose--a problem in and of itself. Do you have any suggestions that may help my valliant defense of these oft-overlooked 17th century theologians? Sincerely, Steve -----
Irv Smith Says:
4/15/2007 10:01:21 PM
After reading your paragraphs on LIKE vs. AS IF, I'm like wondering why you didn't raise like a stink over the way LIKE is used in common discourse. I mean, y'know, like every three or four words, there's a LIKE thrown in. I'm like despairing over the degrading of, y'know, the king's English. -----
Liza Says:
4/15/2007 9:55:01 AM
I have a question unrelated to your topic about these examples: EXAMPLE: It's as if my cousin were Batman. EXAMPLE: My neighbor yelled as though he were a maniac. I noticed that you used were instead of was in both lines. I thought that the relevant rule said to use the plural past-tense of to be when the verb follows an if or wish clause. I realize that as if and as though have the same meaning, but does the same rule apply if the sentence doesn't specifically contain if or wish? -----
Verb Sleuth Says:
4/15/2007 1:05:54 AM
From one technical writer/editor to another, kudos on joining the battle against misuse of the English language. So glad to have found you, and pleased that Grammar Girl seems to have an increasing audience. (And how clever: Verby must add a spell checker to her verbsleuth.com site, also.) -----
ocjoe Says:
4/14/2007 4:04:40 PM
Dear Grammar Girl, I just purchased your audio book. I was wondering why you put the whole book on one track. Having tracks would make it more user friendly. Thanks, joe -----
JoeC Says:
4/14/2007 12:04:40 PM
Ah, and what about the quotative like? "She's like, 'Don't be gettin' all up in my grill, man', and I'm like, 'As if, be-yatch.'" -----
Grammar Girl Says:
4/13/2007 4:25:56 PM
Darn it! I use a spell checker, and I have a copy editor. I think I found and fixed the problem. It appears as if I introduced an error when I copied the text from the word processor to the blog. (I have to reformat the whole thing when I make the transfer.) If you find more typos, please post them here or e-mail them to me at feedback@qdnow.com. -----
linda sommers Says:
4/13/2007 3:28:16 PM
I volunteer teach an essay writing class at the prison in Missouri. I'm always looking for resources to pass on that are easily understandable to guys who haven't written a lot in the last 10 years. With a little editing these articles work great. -----
Richard Holmes Says:
4/13/2007 3:26:23 PM
There are several typos in your text--do you use a spell check
John Says:
4/13/2007 2:55:45 PM
I am not trying to be difficult or confuse anyone. I am just trying to present the facts. Surely there's nothing wrong with trying to inform people. Note that I never said anything about conjuctive like being correct or incorrect. I have simply noted that it has been around since the 1600s, and in another thread I noted that it is mainly used in dialogue and informal prose. I think that readers should be aware of all the facts, then make up their own minds. My point of view is not contrarian; it is a valid viewpoint accepted by many usage books. -----
Zach Everson Says:
4/13/2007 12:51:19 PM
Here's an interesting take on the debate from Wikipedia: Many people became aware of the two options in 1954, when a famous ad campaign for Winston cigarettes introduced the slogan "Winston tastes good — like a cigarette should." The slogan was criticised for its usage by prescriptivists, the "as" or "as if" construction being considered more proper. Winston countered with another ad, featuring a woman with greying hair in a bun who insists that the slogan ought to be "Winston tastes good as a cigarette should" and is shouted down by happy cigarette smokers asking "What do you want — good grammar or good taste?" -----

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