Episode Transcript

Lay Versus Lie
Episode 37: January 19, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

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Today's topic is lay versus lie.

Hey, Grammar Girl. This is Sandy from Southeast Missouri State University in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. I normally consider myself a pretty good writer, but I cannot seem to remember the rules that tell you when to use lie versus lay. Can you help me out with that? Is there an easy way to remember that?


In fact, more than 20 different listeners have asked me to help them remember when to use lay and when to use lie, and I'm sorry it took so long. There's an easy part and a hard part to this answer.

First, we'll do the easy part, which is the present tense...

If you exclude the meaning "to tell an untruth" and just focus on the setting/reclining meaning of lay and lie, then the important distinction is that lay requires a direct object and lie does not. So you lie down on the sofa (no direct object), but you lay the book down on the table (the book is the direct object).

This is in the present tense, where you are talking about doing something now: you lie down on the sofa, and you lay down a book.

There are a bunch of ways to remember this part.

The way I remember is to think of the phrase lay it on me. You're laying something (it, the direct object) on me. It's a catchy, dorky, 1970s kind of phrase, so I can remember it and remember that it is correct.

What's that I hear, music in the background? I know I don't normally play music, but I love Eric Clapton, and his song Lay Down Sally can actually help you remember the difference between lay and lie... [record screeching sound] because he's wrong.

To say “lay down Sally” would imply that someone should grab Sally and lay her down. If he wanted Sally to rest in his arms on her own, the correct line would be “lie down Sally.”

We don't have to judge Clapton on his grammar; we can still love his music and at the same time know that it's grammatically incorrect! In fact, that helps us remember, and we can love him more.

If you're more of a Bob Dylan fan, you can remember that "Lay Lady Lay" is also wrong. The lyrics should be “Lie lady lie, lie across my big brass bed.”

OK, so that was the present tense. It's pretty easy; you lay something down, people lie down by themselves, and Eric Clapton can help us remember.

But then everything goes all haywire, because lay is the past tense of lie. It's a total nightmare! I tried and tried to come up with a mnemonic for this, but I couldn't do it. Instead, I've made a table that you can print out from the website and tape up over your desk or in your notebook, because you just have to memorize this or look it up every time.

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I'm going to tell you the words now, but if all goes as planned, I will also embed the table image into the podcast so that it will also show up as the album art for this episode, and you can follow along either on your computer monitor or on your mp3 player if you have one with a screen. I suppose you can even have the table with you at all times if you don't delete the episode and carry around your mp3 player. That is so cool! I love technology.

So, anyway, here's how to conjugate these two verbs:

The past tense of lie is lay, so

Last week, Steve lay down on the floor.
The cat lay in the mud after it rained yesterday.

The past tense of lay is laid, so

Last week, I laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary forcefully laid her ring on the table.

The past participle of lie is lain, so

Steve has lain on the floor for days.
The cat has lain in the mud for hours.

The past participle of lay is laid, so

I have laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary has forcefully laid her ring on the table.

Don't feel bad if you can't remember these right away. Practice will help, and truthfully, I still have to look them up every time I use them. It's just important to know what you know, and what you don't know, and to go to the trouble to look it up and get it right because these are hard-and-fast rules.

That's all.

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Finally, a friend told me that January 24 has been designated Hug-a-Writer Day. That's the extent of my knowledge about it, but it seemed like a fun idea so I put a link on the Grammar Girl website to the hug-a-writer site. (www.hugawriter.com)

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Comments (146) for Lay Versus Lie |  Subscribe to Comment

Joe Glover Says:
11/24/2008 6:33:05 PM
I've just run into a problem for my writing class. Is it what lies in the future or what lays in the future. The text book says lays in the future, but that sounds wrong to me.
jeffrey Says:
10/27/2008 2:34:01 AM
this site helps me on my cornell notes
action kate Says:
9/23/2008 3:11:43 PM
I had a managing editor once remark that the reference desk of the New York Public Library used to answer this question with "The only way one can 'lay down' is to have carnal relations with a duck." I've never mixed them up since hearing that...
Brad Says:
9/23/2008 2:31:20 AM
To: Albert (1/15/2008) "There are a lot of confused people out there. Would anyone prefer 'There is a lot of confused people out there', since 'a lot' is singular?" -The phrase "a lot of" is grammatically called a determiner. A determiner is used in front of a noun to indicate whether you are referring to something specific or something of a particular type. It is also used to determine cases of plurality. In this case "a lot of" is used with plural nouns; therefore, it should be treated plurally. Well... that's according to AskOxford.com
Amanda Says:
8/28/2008 5:49:16 PM
Albert, I'd be happy to explain it further if you were interested. While it was difficult to explain what I was thinking, it's helped me remember - and I guess that's all that matters.
Kristen Says:
8/15/2008 8:44:05 AM
that versus which
Janet Says:
8/13/2008 2:26:26 AM
Dear Grammar Girl, I stumbled upon your website in an effort to reassure myself that I have used the proper tense of the word "lay" in a novel I'm writing. Girl, I'm no spring chicken having been out of school a very long time. I was excited to read you are located in Missouri. My home state and the setting for the early portion of my book. I've read the information listed and am still not sure if I have it right. The book is written entirely in a first person narrative style. Telling a woman's story all AFTER the fact. I've stared at this "lay/lie bugaboo" intil I'm blue in the face. If you can, I'd like your opinion. "I shuddered in anticipation imagining the joys that may lay ahead and then..." (A couple more lines of story blah, blah) "I lay still a moment and listened." Thanks for your time and attention from yet another aspiring, "need a hug" writer.
Donna Says:
7/24/2008 7:29:28 PM
HELP, please?! When writiing about dedication to service in a particular vocation, is it correct to refer to a "love of people" or a "love for people" ??
Carla Says:
7/23/2008 8:17:33 PM
I am interested to read that saying "lie down" is correct and not "lay down". I have always said "lie down", but my niece, who is in the gifted program at school (meaning she takes advanced placement classes) told me I was wrong. She said her teacher said it was "lay down". I have also noticed that in books I read by British authors, they tend to use "lay down" as opposed to "lie down". I am curious to know if in the UK it is considered correct grammer to say it that way? I have read this too often from really good authors to believe they would use incorrect grammer. I have not had the opportunity to ask my niece if her teacher is from the UK. Thanks.
romy Says:
7/14/2008 7:37:17 AM
being said that lay(lay-laid-laid) is transitive verb and lie(lie-lay-lain) is intransitive verb, it's also good to know that the past participle form of the former is the only one used in the passive voice. thus, if you see lie or any of its form in a sentence, you don't need to think of trasforming the sentence into passive voice. remember: transitive verb for passive voice.
che Says:
7/8/2008 1:28:21 PM
someone named Grammar Girl dispenses advice such as: "there are a bunch of ways ..." ???
Ryan Says:
6/16/2008 3:50:59 PM
Thanks a ton. Brilliant Tip!
Gary Helfeldt Says:
5/24/2008 6:55:58 PM
"Words differently arranged have different meanings, and meanings differently arranged have a different effect." -Blaise Pascal
prankmonkey J Says:
5/12/2008 10:24:17 AM
This is great. What about the classic nursery rhyme, “Now I lay me down to sleep”? Since me has become the object could this be right. Although I could lie down, I don’t know that I could physically lay myself down. Thank you
lisa Says:
5/1/2008 3:06:20 AM
Eric Clapton is referring to his guitar in the song "Lay Down Sally". Sally is the name of his guitar, so I believe he might be correct in his usage.
Nanki Says:
4/27/2008 10:35:35 AM
I have been a fan ever since 1st grade and know i am in 7th! Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Fat Albert Says:
4/1/2008 10:18:56 PM
Hey, hey, hey! It's Fat Albert and I learned grammar.
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 4:05:18 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
Saudi Says:
3/24/2008 4:00:01 AM
wow, that was relatively "easy." I was so afraid to use these couple of verbs in a sentence lest I mess up. But, that's ancient history. Thanks a million time..you're the top "dawg" ^_^
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 3:58:16 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
aardvarkslayer Says:
3/20/2008 8:07:11 PM
Aardvark, You should look up on vs. upon, and try to avoid pretension.
mags Says:
3/5/2008 6:50:56 PM
this is a very boring
Albert Says:
2/25/2008 7:36:13 PM
This thread is still going strong after over a year! But I do wish people would stick to the point and not introduce new topics, as Jaultman has done.[do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?] The answer, Jaultman, is, "Just like you or I" is usually correct, because a verb has been omitted twice. "He is just like you (are) or I (am)." But you should write "They treated him just like you or me," because in full it would be "They treated him just like [they treated] you or me." And, Amanda, What on earth are you on about? Your mnemonic makes no sense to me, sorry. If you have to run through that every time you want to know whether to say "lain" or "laid", you will be speaking very slowly indeed.
Jak Girl Says:
2/13/2008 3:35:25 AM
Thanks for everything. I had a difficult with both words.
jaultman Says:
2/10/2008 1:00:02 PM
do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?
Amanda Says:
2/7/2008 8:24:02 PM
I think I came up with a way to remember the point outlined in your graphic: "PIANO TADD" People (L) I (L) A (Lai)N Objects & Things (L) A (Lai)D (Lai)D Thoughts?
Albert Says:
1/15/2008 7:45:05 PM
I was very pleased to read your exposition on the subject of lay and lie, Grammar Girl. I had begun to think that American English used "lay" transitively and intransitively, since I have never heard an American use "lie" on UK television, or in any song. Most British people get it wrong, and are completely unaware that "lie" exists, except for Northerners like myself. As you have noted, most song-writers, British or American, get it wrong too. The Snow Patrol lyric is a very strange exception. I just know, and I always have known, that you can lay a table, you can lay a hedge, and a hen lays eggs, but you lie down. For Jordan Mannix (1/12/2008) - Two days later the hen laid three eggs. This must be one of the longest threads on this site. There are a lot of confused people out there. Would anyone prefer "There is a lot of confused people out there", since "a lot" is singular? Nobody answered Park (1/20/2007): he seems very confused. I've never heard of the "rule" he's talking about. Nicholas (1/21/2007)is confusing moods and tenses. "Lay, lady, lay" is the imperative mood. [It is still wrong, and should be "Lie, lady, lie"] I don't think that the imperative has any tenses, other than the present. "Lay" is not the imperative of "lie". "Lay, lady, lay" is something that you might say to a hen in the hope of encouraging it (her) to lay an egg. I you gave your hen the name of "Lady", then it would be even better. You could then write: "Lay, Lady, Lay". The verb does not need to have its object stated, but just because you do not state the object does not make the verb intransitive. Apart from a few jokers, most of the comments on this site seem to come from people who are really interested in English, American or otherwise.
jordan mannix Says:
1/12/2008 9:13:26 PM
What about this- Two days later the hen lay/laid/lays three eggs.This confused me to the MAX. Please help me. ~:-O
cashty Says:
1/12/2008 6:02:53 AM
Which dictonay better
Slavandria Says:
11/29/2007 11:34:20 PM
Sally and Mary B...I don't know if anyone has answered your question or if you figured it out but empathetic means to understand another's position or feelings, etc/, i.e. "I am empathetic to her feelings and needs as a single mom." "I empathize with you." Emphatic means to have a strong opinion of something, i.e. "I am emphatic about losing this debate!" "I am emphatic that we cannot be late to the ball!".
Dan F. Says:
11/26/2007 1:40:24 PM
Grammar Girl, I've been a big fan for a long time. I was thrilled to find this page as the first hit on Google when I searched for "lie vs. lay." Thanks for the great explanation. --df
sally Says:
11/12/2007 10:44:16 PM
I always thought that empathic was the only correct adjective to use when referring to personal connection and understanding. The word empathetic, which I was taught as incorrect is used quite often. Is this correct English?
Mary B. Johnston Says:
11/12/2007 12:03:01 PM
Any thoughts on empathetic vs. empathic?